Comments on: The Tough Road Still Ahead For Intel In The Datacenter https://www.nextplatform.com/2024/01/26/the-tough-road-still-ahead-for-intel-in-the-datacenter/ In-depth coverage of high-end computing at large enterprises, supercomputing centers, hyperscale data centers, and public clouds. Thu, 08 Feb 2024 08:00:28 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.7.1 By: Scorched Silicon https://www.nextplatform.com/2024/01/26/the-tough-road-still-ahead-for-intel-in-the-datacenter/#comment-219871 Thu, 08 Feb 2024 08:00:28 +0000 https://www.nextplatform.com/?p=143536#comment-219871 In reply to John.

Tell me you know nothing about semiconductor production without telling me you know nothing about it. First don’t you find it strange that Intel themselves had to turn to TSMC due to their own foundry problems, then you only point out AMD, NVDA and Apple using them? Plus, TSMC has a united states facility in Arizona of which can and will be used for 4nm production, and expansion coming online to keep ahead of Intel tech. AMD can also use Global Foundries which was the FABs unit they spun out a while back, and then it has partnerships available in Tyler, Tx with Samsung and their new 2nm capabilities. And finally the AMD is well aware of the US based chips ACT for the Taiwan/China issues that could arise. Leading to proper supply chain contingencies in place for a US govt, which can’t seem to buy EPYC & Instinct fast enough. I.E all the current super computers are HPE/CRAY based with AMD! As well as some really big on-prem and cloud deals for their DoD entities. #justsayin’

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By: Timothy Prickett Morgan https://www.nextplatform.com/2024/01/26/the-tough-road-still-ahead-for-intel-in-the-datacenter/#comment-219780 Tue, 06 Feb 2024 02:00:14 +0000 https://www.nextplatform.com/?p=143536#comment-219780 In reply to JayN.

It’s a better server CPU lineup, to be sure. But AMD is not sitting still, and the big money is clearly in selling GPUs, which Intel is not competitive with even with its ambitious designs.

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By: JayN https://www.nextplatform.com/2024/01/26/the-tough-road-still-ahead-for-intel-in-the-datacenter/#comment-219777 Tue, 06 Feb 2024 01:39:47 +0000 https://www.nextplatform.com/?p=143536#comment-219777 Intel said “Sierra Forest has final samples at customers and the production stepping of Granite Rapids is running ahead of schedule well into power-on validation and very healthy.”

Those chips will share a platform that offers MCR DIMM support at 8000MT/s and CXL 2.0. The Granite Rapids chips will offer dual AVX512 units per core and the per core AMX tiled matrix acceleration. All this on Intel-3, which allows them to double the core counts… maybe quadruple on Sierra Forest.

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By: Timothy Prickett Morgan https://www.nextplatform.com/2024/01/26/the-tough-road-still-ahead-for-intel-in-the-datacenter/#comment-219591 Wed, 31 Jan 2024 21:04:36 +0000 https://www.nextplatform.com/?p=143536#comment-219591 In reply to John.

They go very quickly to zero until the US and the EC recognize China’s right to Taiwan, at which point, the chips flow again. Or we go to nuclear war and they never flow again. Those are the two paths I see.

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By: John https://www.nextplatform.com/2024/01/26/the-tough-road-still-ahead-for-intel-in-the-datacenter/#comment-219584 Wed, 31 Jan 2024 19:34:57 +0000 https://www.nextplatform.com/?p=143536#comment-219584 “Nothing we heard on the call with Intel’s top brass yesterday going over the company’s fourth quarter of 2023 financial results and nothing we see going on in the market leads us to believe this scenario is not the most likely new equilibrium point.”

If China invades Taiwan, what happens to the supply of chips for AMD and NVIDIA (and Apple)? Intel has CPU fabs outside that area.

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By: Michael Alan Bruzzone https://www.nextplatform.com/2024/01/26/the-tough-road-still-ahead-for-intel-in-the-datacenter/#comment-219495 Mon, 29 Jan 2024 19:26:10 +0000 https://www.nextplatform.com/?p=143536#comment-219495 Adding, when CFO Zinsner came on board his first quarterly financial call, reflected, said in so many words including related to CapEx expansion his function was auditing, managing “an at cost business”. mb

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By: Michael Alan Bruzzone https://www.nextplatform.com/2024/01/26/the-tough-road-still-ahead-for-intel-in-the-datacenter/#comment-219494 Mon, 29 Jan 2024 19:05:26 +0000 https://www.nextplatform.com/?p=143536#comment-219494 Intel Xeon on a gross basis 22,606,432 units at $985.59 and on a NET basis I rely for ‘all up’ on the inframarginal units revealed = 44,844,979 units at $474.86 that after tax is right around cost. CEO Gelsinger claims 2.5 M Sapphire Rapids in the year so what is all other Xeon and compliment related production? Sapphire Rapids channel available volume + 73.6% q/q and Ice channel available + 12.3%. Cascade Lakes showed a 2P workstation refresh in q3. The question is percent weight of other DCAI product lines? ER, SR, Ice, Cascade, D has no availability in the channel since 27/17xx series I presume D rejected against ARM in base stations. NEX definitely hit bottom in q4. Leaves the wild card as Gaudi plus whatever FPGA I scored FPGA 1.4 M in 2022. I score all DC+AI on a net basis covering all costs = 50,120,188 units in 2022 leaving 2023 < 10.6%. Desktop 2023 I have net 91,383,082 units at $111.25 each. Mobile 2023 173,067,963 units at $110.32. The gross revenue conversion is + 63%. Intel on a net basis minimally 309,296,024 for the year and AMD approximately with dGPU and embedded 109 million units or 26% production share. I think it's likely Intel may have produced as many as 370ish M unis in 2023 and q4 operating margin at $93 M is an indicator on net take per unit $1 each across 93 M units. mb

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By: france https://www.nextplatform.com/2024/01/26/the-tough-road-still-ahead-for-intel-in-the-datacenter/#comment-219493 Mon, 29 Jan 2024 18:36:54 +0000 https://www.nextplatform.com/?p=143536#comment-219493 Intel can be the new AMD then. Chipzilla can turn into Chimpzilla. How the mighty have fallen.

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