Comments on: Intel To Set Its FPGA Unit Free To Pursue Its Own Path https://www.nextplatform.com/2023/10/04/intel-to-set-its-fpga-unit-free-to-pursue-its-own-path/ In-depth coverage of high-end computing at large enterprises, supercomputing centers, hyperscale data centers, and public clouds. Thu, 28 Dec 2023 14:12:41 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.7.1 By: Timothy Prickett Morgan https://www.nextplatform.com/2023/10/04/intel-to-set-its-fpga-unit-free-to-pursue-its-own-path/#comment-218148 Thu, 28 Dec 2023 14:12:41 +0000 https://www.nextplatform.com/?p=143090#comment-218148 In reply to Pete.

Seems like a fair analysis to me. If electricity cost half as much or a tenth as much and process shrinks and packaging advancements slowed even more, we might be thinking about building more reconfigurable systems that could be in the field for ten years. I am thinking this might be one possible path forward. We can’t afford to be throwing $500 million to $1 billion machines away.

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By: Pete https://www.nextplatform.com/2023/10/04/intel-to-set-its-fpga-unit-free-to-pursue-its-own-path/#comment-218138 Thu, 28 Dec 2023 07:25:53 +0000 https://www.nextplatform.com/?p=143090#comment-218138 Developers, developers, developers.

Had Intel made the API’s and tools to program those FPGA’s public they’d be worth money by now.
Best guess is anything like that was killed by internal power struggles and a fear of losing control.

Most comments above are correct, they are hard and expensive in time to work with but that’s an area where Open Source tends to be a win.

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By: Hubert https://www.nextplatform.com/2023/10/04/intel-to-set-its-fpga-unit-free-to-pursue-its-own-path/#comment-215185 Thu, 19 Oct 2023 04:10:47 +0000 https://www.nextplatform.com/?p=143090#comment-215185 In reply to Timothy Prickett Morgan.

With great flexibility comes great responsibility (of course), but also great challenges in timing closure … One’s mileage likely varies but I could close at 48 MHz for a RISC-V on Lattice (with Yosys), but then less than 10 MHz for a pipleined ISA focused on symbolic processing … Hard blocks (ASICs) are definitely key for performance in computations that we know need to be performed (based on my verilog experimentations). But the FPGAs are great to delineate what is advantageous, or worthwhile, to implement in hardware vs software I think (eg. garbage collection would quite definitely remain a software process, for me).

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By: Timothy Prickett Morgan https://www.nextplatform.com/2023/10/04/intel-to-set-its-fpga-unit-free-to-pursue-its-own-path/#comment-215010 Sat, 14 Oct 2023 21:56:31 +0000 https://www.nextplatform.com/?p=143090#comment-215010 In reply to OranjeeGeneral.

Good points.

I just keep thinking if I was building an exascale machine that needed to last a decade, I would use FPGAs. Coding the hard blocks as the FPGA makers have had to do because of the size of their devices mititgates against absolute flexibility.

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By: OranjeeGeneral https://www.nextplatform.com/2023/10/04/intel-to-set-its-fpga-unit-free-to-pursue-its-own-path/#comment-214998 Sat, 14 Oct 2023 15:46:33 +0000 https://www.nextplatform.com/?p=143090#comment-214998 In reply to Hubert.

FPGA market is a wide as the CPU market, you find FPGA in all kind of sizes and prices. So FPGA can go all the way down to the embedded market (where you can go to very low power usage especially if you are using very few cells) as well as in other more compute intensive market segments.
But yes you are right FPGAs are mostly worthwhile if you are running inside units numbers that are up to a low 4-figures. Otherwise you might consider going to ASIC but ASIC development costs (not even including manufacturing) tends to be at least a low 6-figure number. So you can simply do the math what is the better options.

As comversome as VHDL it probably is still a lot easier / cheaper to find a FPGA developer than an ASIC designer.

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By: Carl Schumacher https://www.nextplatform.com/2023/10/04/intel-to-set-its-fpga-unit-free-to-pursue-its-own-path/#comment-214691 Fri, 06 Oct 2023 18:10:56 +0000 https://www.nextplatform.com/?p=143090#comment-214691 In reply to Fernanda Foertter.

“…Intel will continue its death march and Xeon group will be the last to turn off the lights.”

“Xeoff”?

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By: Mickey Pearson https://www.nextplatform.com/2023/10/04/intel-to-set-its-fpga-unit-free-to-pursue-its-own-path/#comment-214647 Thu, 05 Oct 2023 17:02:55 +0000 https://www.nextplatform.com/?p=143090#comment-214647 In reply to andrew mulcock.

I doubt that will happen with AMD. If you look at the quarterly results, it is Xilinx that is floating AMD’s boat last three quarters. AMD always has been a shitty business.

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By: HuMo https://www.nextplatform.com/2023/10/04/intel-to-set-its-fpga-unit-free-to-pursue-its-own-path/#comment-214646 Thu, 05 Oct 2023 14:48:50 +0000 https://www.nextplatform.com/?p=143090#comment-214646 In reply to Fernanda Foertter.

Intel’s Spring-cleaning AI going rogue (in the Fall)?

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By: andrew mulcock https://www.nextplatform.com/2023/10/04/intel-to-set-its-fpga-unit-free-to-pursue-its-own-path/#comment-214643 Thu, 05 Oct 2023 12:09:01 +0000 https://www.nextplatform.com/?p=143090#comment-214643 Welcome back Altera, we have missed you, felt like we had to fight our way through layers of intel enforced cross to get to the real fpga people.
Now , please AMD , realise your mistake and do the same for Xilinx before they are totally killed off the same way..
When will management learn that FPGAs are more like ASICS , not CPUs, and things like adgile design don’t work in fpgas , some with hours days to do a compile ..

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By: Fernanda Foertter https://www.nextplatform.com/2023/10/04/intel-to-set-its-fpga-unit-free-to-pursue-its-own-path/#comment-214616 Thu, 05 Oct 2023 04:42:00 +0000 https://www.nextplatform.com/?p=143090#comment-214616 Great article Tim. So weird to watch Intel pivot like a Gen1 Roomba on a room full of furniture. Soon they’ll limit themselves to CPUs, GPUs and Foundries as products. If so, I think Intel is backing themselves into a corner where they hope their GPUs will finally emerge and compete with NVIDIA (it wont because ). When the GPUs flop, they’ll have CPUs and foundries left and if the latter hasn’t built capacity yet (it also wont because that takes time), Intel will continue its death march and Xeon group will be the last to turn off the lights.

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